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« on: October 11, 2008, 01:53:14 PM »

Second organic test this cominig monday Tongue

1. Which of the following is not an electrophile?
a) AlCl4-[/sub]   b) BH3     c)  NH4+

I was able to eliminate c, but the other two gave me trouble.  My thinking was that:  If carbon can form 4 bonds (sp3 hybridized), why can't Boron?  So I was thinking Boron had an open p orbital (currently sp2 hybridized).  AlCl4- seemed to already be full.  I know that elements in period 3 or higher can form more than the expected number of bonds, but why the heck would something with full orbitals, and a negative charge still want more negative/electrons  Huh

2.  The following is a ______ alkene



a)monosubstituted
b)disubstituted
c)trisubstituted
d)tertasubstituted


Now you'd name this 2-ethyl-1-butene right?  I thought this would be monosubstituted because it has one group coming off the main chain.  I guess substitution takes into account all R groups (everything but H right?) coming off the double bond?

3.  When 2-pentene is heated with a catalytic amount of I2, an equilibrium concentration of two isomers is obtained.  The dominant isomer is:

c) an equal amount of each is present at equilibrium



I didn't have much of a guess on this, and I guess that's because I don't know what is happening to the molecule while reacting with I2. A is the correct answer, but with the knowledge I have now I'd argue b as it seems like it would be more stable...the pi bond almost seems more enclosed.  Help >_<

Thanks everyone!

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 11:11:59 PM »

That first one, it says which is "NOT an electrophile." That one wouldn't be an electrophile.. just as you said.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 02:40:12 AM »

1) as chris said, the question asked for the one who is not an electrophile.  The other three, b, c and d are all lewis acids, which qualifies them as electrophiles.  AlCl3 is also a lewis acid but AlCl4- is not

2)  Substituted alkenes have the followind denominations.  Thus b is the correct answer.



3) while I am not exactly sure what I2 does, I can tell you that if you have a choice between a trans and a cis isomer of the same molecule, the trans version is typically the one in highest yield and the more stable.  Thus a being in a trans configuration would be my choice.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 09:25:54 AM »

OMG LOL!  I can't believe I typed that out and still didn't notice is says NOT XD!!!!  Wow let's hope I'm a little more on guard for the test tomorrow.

Yes valdro, you are correct about the cis and trans and I wasn't thinking of that while making my decision.  Thank you all very much!  I'll let you guys know how it goes tomorrow ^_^
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 07:54:36 PM »

So, on #3, I2 can add reversibly to alkenes.  It adds to the alkene and forms a carbocation intermediate.  Instead of adding the other I- to form the dihalide, the iodine acts as a leaving group and eliminates.  The reason A is the answer is because once you form the cation intermediate, the trans is more thermodynmically favored b/c of sterics.

for more info on this, see http://books.google.com/books?id=txmp1aoCJp8C&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=alkene+equilibrium+iodine&source=web&ots=cFzAg8gxSI&sig=cJjQFm1FMBDWsIkoZAvfVyzgf1Y&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPA270,M1
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 01:57:46 PM »

Ace

From the way the question is worded, I do not think it is an addition reaction.

First -  I2 is not a reactant but a catalyst.

Second  - none of the answers are halides

Third - addition of a halogen to an alkene produces an alkane, once again none of the answers are alkanes nor halides.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 02:30:19 PM »

Hi valdorod, I have to disagree with you on this on, or maybe I did not explain myself well.  I2 is not a catalyst, but is present in catalytic amounts.  The overall reaction is addition-elimination which takes an alkene and gives an alkene.  You say that the addition of a halogen to an alkene gives an alkane (I can only assume you meant an alkyl halide), but that is not the case for iodine.  Below is the reaction (Attached as jpg), along with an excerpt from a textbook on it.

"Iodine intially reacts with alkenes to form a cationic intermediate"..."this is then eliminated to reform the alkene"

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 11:03:49 PM »

Instead of adding the other I- to form the dihalide, the iodine acts as a leaving group and eliminates.

Ace, you explained it correctly the first time, I missed two very important words in your description, and focused on the adding and dihalide.  Your explanation makes sense.  After clicking on your first link, I focused on the bromine and chlorine additions, skimming throught the fluorine and iodine examples.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 07:32:39 AM »

Thanks everyone Smiley  We hadn't learned about the "halonium" ions yet so this question didn't make much sense to me at the time.
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